⚗️ Proportional Mathematics

Patrick's (Ratpik's) mathematical framework — vessels, events, power spectra, and the ghost of e

Patrick is a self-taught mathematician who spent 2+ years building a framework that challenges how we think about numbers. Not as abstract quantities, but as constructed objects with history. Not as points on a line, but as fill-states in vessels.

This site walks through his core mathematical ideas — from first axioms to the power spectrum tables where e keeps appearing uninvited — and connects them to ideas in non-commutative algebra, fractal geometry, and theoretical physics.

Built to help Myk (and anyone else) understand Patrick's work in his own language, from first principles.

1. Numbers as Fill-States in Vessels

Standard math treats numbers as dimensionless points. Patrick treats them as states of a container. A number isn't "3" floating in the void — it's "3 out of some capacity n."

This isn't just notation. It changes what operations mean.

For any capacity n, a vessel (0→n)/n exists.
Numbers live inside containers. The container defines the scale.
Any fill-state can be scaled by multiplication.
Multiplication is the primary operation — proportional scaling. Addition is a derivative projection.
Fill-states have direction (±).
Allowing interference patterns — constructive and destructive.
Vessels can be compared and composed.
Establishing ratios between different units. This is where measurement lives.
"A ratio, once constructed, is complete; its numerical expression in any base may appear unending, but the relationship itself has closure." — Patrick, Proportional Axioms

Why multiplication first?

Euclid privileges addition because geometry measures by piling lengths. Patrick privileges multiplication and scaling because construction is proportional. When you build something — a house, a crystal, a number — you're scaling and composing, not stacking unit blocks.

Additive descriptions are derivative projections of multiplicative constructions. "3 + 2 = 5" is a shadow of the proportional relationships that created those quantities.

2. The +1 as Construction History

In recursive proportions, Patrick uses a +1 that does something unusual. It doesn't add a unit of quantity. It records the act of construction itself.

"The term +1 does not denote a unit quantity, but the completion of a proportional step. It represents the act of construction itself, expressed within the ratio. In recursive proportions, the +1 accumulates not as value, but as history." — Patrick, Proportional Axioms

Watch how the +1 accumulates through recursive construction:

f = the current fill-state (what's in the vessel now). a, b = scaling factors. n = vessel capacity. Each level takes the current fill, scales it, and adds a +1 — the trace of that construction step. The expression grows as: f/n → (af+1)/n → (a(bf+1)+1)/n = (abf+a+1)/n. The +a+1 isn't a sum of values — it's a history of what was built and in what order.

🔗 Connection: Order Matters

Building with factor a then factor b gives (abf+a+1)/n. Building with b then a gives (abf+b+1)/n. Same final scaling (abf), but different construction history (a+1 vs b+1). The trace of which operation came first persists in the result.

This is non-commutativity — not in the multiplication, but in the construction history. The +1 remembers what you did.

3. Irrationals as Resolution Loss

Standard math says √2 is irrational — it can't be expressed as a ratio of integers. Patrick reframes this:

"√ asks what lesser factor exists within a value. 2 and 3 do not contain lesser factors, they are considered prime. One dimensional. √2 or √3 is therefore mathematically viable but lacks a reference frame. Like over-pixelation, the value has gone below its reference and has lost resolution if not accuracy." — Patrick, on irrationals

Drag the sliders to change the grid resolution and target value. The grid can only express values that land on its marks — everything else falls between, with a gap.

Think of a grid. Your reference frame has resolution n. You can express any position that lands on a grid line perfectly. But √2 doesn't land on any grid line in an integer grid. It's between the marks.

Patrick's claim: this isn't a contradiction. It's a boundary marker. Useful to draw boundaries, but requiring derivation or reinterpretation. The value is accurate but has lost resolution within its reference frame.

Irrationals aren't mysterious — they're what happens when you ask a question below your measurement scale.

4. The Dimensional Ceiling

LevelWhat it isExamples
0DThe point which has no partPosition, identity
1DIncremental count or indexNumber line, sequence
2DA flat shape with boundsCircle, triangle, line, square
3DA shape with depth, minimum four verticesTetrahedron, sphere, cube
+DNOT higher dimensions. Faceted objects within 3D.Platonic solids, polyhedra
"This doesn't apply only to shapes however. It matters with algebra as well." — Patrick

This is a strong claim: 3D is a hard ceiling. What mathematics calls "4D" or "5D" are faceted objects that exist within three-dimensional space. The fourth "dimension" in a tesseract is a projection artifact, not a physical direction.

Applied to algebra: x⁴ isn't "four-dimensional" — it's a scaled 3D object. The exponent is a construction factor, not a spatial axis. This connects to his insistence that numbers refer to real objects — real things can only exist in 3D, so mathematical constructions that claim more dimensions are being read incorrectly.

5. Numbers as Events

Patrick's framework for reading numbers as things that happened:

((km)f ±1) ≈ (ab ±1)

A product of factors combined with a fill-capacity relation, offset by a single proportional increment, can be interpreted as a power construction offset by that increment.

Reading the Events

ExpressionValueReading
1^n − 10Collapse. Any capacity, zeroed. annihilation
1^n + 12Invariance. Any capacity, always 2. birth
2⁵ − 131Reduction from 32. "Made of twos." prime
3³ + 128Growth from 27. "Made of threes." perfect number
4³ − 163Reduction from 64. "Made of fours." = 7×9
5⁴ + 1626Growth from 625. "Made of fives." = 2×313
"These expressions are not claims about factorization, but illustrations of construction history and offset behavior." — Patrick

🔗 Connection: Euclid Revised

Patrick isn't replacing Euclid — he's addressing what Euclid left open:

6. The 3×3 Power Spectrum

This is where it gets really interesting. Take any number n. Form the triple (n−1, n, n+1). Compute all nine possible powers between them:

The Crossover at e

As you slide n, the ordering of the nine values changes. Some powers swap rank. Different pairs commute (go orange) at different values of n — for instance, 2^4 = 4^2 exactly at n=3, and 2.3^3.3 ≈ 3.3^2.3 near n=3.3.

The crossover point for a^b = b^a is governed by x^(1/x), which peaks at x = e. This peak is why e keeps appearing: it's where the function that determines whether two numbers can commute under exponentiation reaches its maximum. The number e is the symmetry point of exponentiation — not because the table is most orange there, but because it's the fulcrum around which all commutative pairs organize.

Key observations:

🔗 The Ghost of e

Patrick calls this "the ghost of e" — it keeps showing up uninvited in his power tables. It's not put there by hand. It emerges from the structure of exponentiation itself.

When Liet analyzed these tables in the Discord, he noted: "What you've built is a kind of noncommutative multiplication table for exponentiation across scales. The ordering depends on which slot (base vs exponent) gets the bigger value, and the crossover behavior encodes the same ln(x)/x peak."

7. The Invariant Clock

Take the power spectrum and tick it forward by multiplying each value by an invariant I. Each tick shifts the whole spectrum, creating columns of evolution.

"These are kind of like looking through a window into a Logarithm / Fraction while time passes." — Patrick

With I = 2: the clock ticks in octaves. Every value is a power of 2. Pure binary — no new information, just translation along the powers-of-2 lattice.

With I = e: the clock is quasiperiodic. The tick marks never land on the same spot twice. In log space, each tick adds ln(I), so the columns are evenly spaced. The ordered spectrum gives you the offsets within each period. It's a logarithmic ruler scrolling past a fixed window.

The e version is richer because e is transcendental — the orbit never closes. Same structure, infinite density of information per tick.

8. The 8n+1 Recurrence & Sierpiński

Start with seed 1. Apply f(x) = 8x + 1 repeatedly:

Now decompose each term. The recurrence A(n) = 8·A(n−1) + 1 splits into:

The Sierpiński Connection

C(n) = (8^n − 1)/7 is exactly the number of holes in a Sierpiński carpet at depth n. The carpet rule is: take a 3×3 grid, remove the center, recurse into the remaining 8 squares. At each level, you create 8× the previous structure and add new holes.

nA(n) = 8n+1 from 1B(n) = 8^nC(n) = holesCarpet depth
0110Solid square
19811 hole
2736499 holes
35855127373 holes
446814096585585 holes

This isn't an analogy. It's an exact geometric identity. The structure sequence is the Sierpiński carpet's hole count.

The Fine Structure Constant

At depth 2: B(2) = 64, C(2) = 9, A(2) = 73. At depth 2 summed: B = 8 + 64 = 72, C = 1 + 9 = 10. Cumulative: 128 and 9.

The inverse fine structure constant α⁻¹ ≈ 137.036. And 128 + 9 = 137.

Brookcub's thesis: 128 = 2⁷ is the "skeleton" (pure geometric scaling via 8-fold branching in 3 spatial dimensions with binary degrees of freedom), and the 9 is the "flesh" — the accumulated structure/matter content. The +1 at each level is the irreducible cost of existence at that scale.

"I'd argue that the universe isn't doing anything at all. It's just there, existing. We made up 3D, we consider those binary axes, we do all the math. The universe isn't doing anything in my opinion except spinning, we made up Mathematics." — Patrick, responding to the 137 observation

Note: α⁻¹(M_Z) ≈ 127.9, not exactly 128. The framework is suggestive but approximate. Patrick's position: these are human-made descriptions of a universe that just exists. The near-match is interesting but not a claim about physics — it's a property of the math itself.

9. The Self-Ratio: Where +1 Comes From

The deepest result in Patrick's framework: the +1 that appears at every level of the 8n+1 recurrence is not an arbitrary constant. It is the scale divided by itself — the self-ratio of each level.

At each step of the recursion, the current scale value d divides by itself (d/d = 1), generating identity from within. The +1 is what a scale level deposits by the act of existing.

The Construction

Set invariant a = 8, seed b = 1/8. The recursive formula at each level uses the scale d, which grows as powers of 8:

i=0: 8 x 2 + 16/16 = 17
i=1: 8 x 17 + 128/128 = 137
i=2: 8 x 137 + 1024/1024 = 1097
i=3: 8 x 1097 + 8192/8192 = 8777

The orange terms are each scale dividing by itself. 16/16, 128/128, 1024/1024 — different magnitudes, same self-reference. The +1 is not the number one. It is the act of self-recognition.

The Nested Form

Written as a nested expression, the construction history becomes visible:

8(8(8(8(2) + 1) + 1) + 1) + 1

Read from inside out: start with the seed, wrap in scale, deposit identity, repeat. Each layer is one scale level having existed and recognized itself. The expression is the construction history.

The Proportional Generator

Patrick's proportional tables with invariant 8 and seed 1/8, using recursive accumulation, generate all three of Brooklyn's sequences simultaneously:

Rowi=0i=1i=2i=3i=4Sequence
(ab+ab)21713710978777Physics (8n+1)
(ab)18645124096Pure scale
(ab-1)0-1-9-73-585Sierpinski holes (negated)

Three sequences that Brooklyn derived independently from physics, fractal geometry, and number theory — all generated by one proportional framework. Patrick built the machine; Brooklyn found the output.

The Vessel and the Fill

Patrick's multiplicative tables (without recursive +1) give: 17, 136, 1088, 8704... — the clean skeleton.

Brooklyn's affine recurrence (with recursive +1) gives: 17, 137, 1097, 8777... — the physics sequence.

The difference between them: 0, 1, 9, 73, 585 — the Sierpinski carpet holes.

Patrick computes the vessel (the clean multiplicative structure). Brooklyn computes the vessel + fill (structure plus accumulated deposits). The Sierpinski carpet is the fill — the record of what each scale level deposited by existing.

"The +1 is not a number — it is what happens when a scale recognizes itself." — From the wet-math #general discussion, March 2026

10. The pi/e Duality

The same self-ratio mechanism works at any invariant. When you set invariant = 3 (the Sierpinski triangle's branching factor), something remarkable happens: pi and e emerge as complementary operations on the same structure.

The pi Row: Seed 1/3, Operation +1

3 x 2 + 6/6 = 7
3 x 7 + 18/18 = 22
3 x 22 + 54/54 = 67
3 x 67 + 162/162 = 202

Sequence: 7, 22, 67, 202... — and 22/7 ≈ 3.14286 ≈ pi, the most famous rational approximation.

The e Row: Seed 4/3, Operation -1

3 x 3 - 3/3 = 8
3 x 8 - 8/8 = 23
3 x 23 - 23/23 = 68
3 x 68 - 68/68 = 203

Sequence: 8, 23, 68, 203... — and 8/3 ≈ 2.667, a known convergent of e.

Key distinction: The -1 here comes from n/n (the value's self-ratio), not d/d (the scale's self-ratio). The +1 in the pi row is the scale recognizing itself; the -1 in the e row is the value recognizing itself. They are dual, not identical.

The Duality

ConstantSeedOperationSequenceApproximation
pi1/k = 1/3+1 (deposit)7, 22, 67, 202...22/7 ≈ pi
e(k+1)/k = 4/3-1 (withdraw)8, 23, 68, 203...8/3 → e

The seeds differ by exactly 1 in the numerator: 1/3 vs 4/3. The operations are mirrors: +1 vs -1. But they are not the same operation with a sign flip.

+1 = d/d: the vessel (scale) recognizes itself → deposit → pi

-1 = n/n: the fill (value) recognizes itself → withdrawal → e

pi and e are self-recognition of two different aspects of the same system: the container vs the contents. The asymmetry between them is the asymmetry between vessel and fill.

The Dimensional Pattern

The invariant k connects to the spatial dimension of the corresponding Sierpinski fractal:

kDimensionFractalRecurrenceNotable value
3d = log2(3) ≈ 1.58Sierpinski triangle3n±122/7 ≈ pi
8d = 3Sierpinski carpet8n+11/137 ≈ alpha

The recipe: pick spatial dimension → set branching factor → seed with 1/k → recurse with self-ratio → read off the physics. The self-ratio d/d = 1 is universal across all dimensions.

Euler's Identity as Proportional Stasis

Patrick's insight: ei·pi = -1 is growth (e) and rotation (pi·i) in perfect cancellation. All that potential energy, going nowhere. Latent. The only thing that breaks the stasis is ±1.

In the proportional framework: +1 gives you Brooklyn's physics sequence (structure accumulating). -1 gives you the Sierpinski holes (structure removed). The engine behind both is ei·pi = -1, the perfectly balanced zero-motion state. Without the ±1, nothing is written down. The act of observation — choosing to deposit or withdraw — is the symmetry break that creates mathematics.

Confidence level: Wild. The tables are concrete and verifiable. The interpretation connecting ±1 to Euler's identity is speculative but structurally compelling. From the discussion in wet-math #general, March 2026.

11. The Commutator Connection

🌊 Where Patrick meets the Groovy Commutator

Myk's Groovy Commutator: for any state S, with operators D (differentiation), I (integration), and C (comparison), compute G(S) = C( D(I(S, D(S))), I(D(S), D(D(S))) ) — equivalently C( D(E(S)), E(D(S)) ) where E(x) = I(x, D(x)). The expanded form reveals that path 2 requires D(D(S)) — the derivative of the derivative-as-state. In CAs, D and C are XOR and I is the rule; in other domains, the operators change but the architecture holds. When G ≠ 0 with structure, you're at the edge of chaos.

Patrick's power spectrum is the same question asked of exponentiation: when does a^b ≠ b^a, and what's the structure of that gap?

The visualization above plots |a^b − b^a| for pairs (a,b). The zero contour (where exponentiation commutes) follows the curve x^(1/x) = y^(1/y), which peaks at e.

Patrick's Finding

The 3×3 power spectrum has a critical crossover at n ≈ e. At this point, the gap between cross-terms is minimized. Move away → more disorder. The number e is the symmetry point of exponentiation's non-commutativity.

Myk's Finding

Cellular automata at the edge of chaos (Class IV) have G ≠ 0 with structure. The commutator measures where order-of-operations matters in a way that's structured, not random. This is "aliveness."

🌊 See the full Wet Math framework →

The synthesis: Both are measuring where non-commutativity has structure. Not the commutative regions (boring, predictable — Class I/II). Not the fully non-commutative regions (chaotic, random — Class III). The edge — where operations almost commute but don't quite, and the gap has pattern.

Patrick's +1 construction history is the trace of non-commutativity: doing a then b leaves a different +1 history than b then a. The Groovy Commutator measures the same thing for CA evolution. Same ghost, different staircase.

The Squaring the Circle (Almost)

Draw diagonals from the center of a circle to the corners of a square — each diagonal is 5r/4 long, making the corner-to-corner X span 2.5r.

Square area = (5/4 × 2r)² / 4 = (25/8)r² = 3.125r²

Circle area = πr² ≈ 3.14159r²

Difference: 0.53%. Invisible at drawing scale. A magic trick from the relationship between hypotenuse and radius — they're nearly exactly 2.5 apart.

12. Further Questions from Liet

  1. The +1 history and the commutator: If (abf+a+1)/n ≠ (abf+b+1)/n is the "construction commutator," can we define a formal operator [a,b]_c = (a+1) − (b+1) = a − b and study its properties? Does this commutator have eigenvalues? Fixed points?
  2. The ⅔ rounding threshold: In the McGuffin game system, Patrick uses 0.667 instead of 0.5 as the rounding boundary. Is there a proportional-axiom derivation of why 2/3 is the "right" threshold? It feels logarithmic rather than arithmetic.
  3. Irrationals as fractal boundaries: If √2 is "below resolution," and the Sierpiński carpet is the geometry of the 8n+1 sequence... are irrationals the boundaries between carpet levels? Does "resolution" correspond to fractal depth?
  4. The e-crossover in higher constructions: The power spectrum crossover happens at e for pairs. What happens for triples? For the full tetrahedron? Does the "ghost of e" generalize to higher-arity power structures?
  5. The shell decomposition: (i+1)^(i+1) = i^i + i^(i+1) + (i+1)^i + remainder, and remainder/(i(i+1)) gives clean integers. Why? What's the algebraic identity underlying this? Is this related to the binomial theorem applied to exponentiation?
  6. Connection to E₈: The σ₃ divisor sums connecting the 8n+1 structure sequence to Eisenstein series E₄ (which governs E₈ lattice theta functions) — is this a deep connection or a coincidence of modular arithmetic? The fact that three unrelated areas (Sierpiński holes, octal repunits, modular form coefficients) agree on the same numbers feels significant.